Document 348

Conversation 05: Fife couple on shared memories

Author(s): N/A

Copyright holder(s): Prof John B Corbett, SCOTS Project

Audio transcription

M608 Okay dokey, er, I'll just take this off.
F644 Can ye, //do ye?//
M608 //[inaudible]//
M645 A p- gie me a shot o that, John.
F644 [laugh] //[laugh]//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 I'll speak tae masel, "Hello there, Bob! How're ye gettin on?"
M608 I don't know if I can actually hear anything on it.
M645 //Yes, ye will.//
F644 //Ye'll know.//
M608 No.
F644 No.
M645 Now listen hear that skrechin brat there, John. D'ye hear that //noo?//
F644 //Ye've got// paint all over it, John!
M608 It's tippex.
F644 oh it's tippex that's on it.
M608 [inaudible]
F644 Were ye usin tippex?
M608 No, I think [CENSORED: forename] was usin tippex at one point.
F644 oh, aye.
M608 Okay, //if ye just,//
F644 //Right.//
M608 if ye just want to tell me how long ye've been here in the in the mill?
F644 How long we've been here? We've been thirty-two years here, John!
M645 [inaudible]
M608 mmhm
M645 //We come//
F644 //Thirty t-//
M645 here in nineteen z-
F644 Sixty-five.
M645 sixty-five. //June,//
F644 //uh-huh//
M645 nineteen sixty-five.
F644 No, it was October. //[inaudible]//
M645 //Well, roond aboot that.//
F644 Was it about Christmas time?
M645 mm
F644 And it was movin wi rats. It wis, and the kids were //aw wee.//
M645 //Now wait// a minute. I came intae the mills. I came up the Came up that road o yours, John.
M608 mm
M645 It wisnae a, a wisnae a concrete road.
F644 It was just a red //track.//
M645 //It was an ordinary// //ferm road,//
F644 //Forest road.//
M608 uh-huh
M645 that, and it belonged tae the fermer up there.
F644 The [?]Bath[/?] farm?
M645 [inaudible] ferm. No! It belonged tae Herbert the fermer!
F644 Aye, the [?]Bath[/?] farm. //mmhm//
M645 //Aye, at that road.//
F644 His father lived up //there.//
M645 //So I went up// there and I got the joab, on the wood up there, //wi the boy//
M608 //mm//
M645 //in the month o June//
F644 //Cuttin out,// aye.
M645 Month o June. And they gied me a horse, tae haul the widd oot.
M608 mmhm
M645 //And, er//
F644 //Aye, [inaudible name of horse]// that's him [indicates photo of horse]
M645 I got eh, aye, there's the horse.
M608 mm
M645 I got thirty-seven and six a ton.
F644 Aye.
M645 So we done eh I done ten ton a week. //So, ye'll//
M608 //Good God.//
M645 ken how much I made. How much is that?
M608 Aye.
M645 Ten times thirty-seven and six. Ye give me thirty-seven and six //would ye, John?//
F644 //Say// ten times forty.
M608 Yeah, ten times forty, that's what, two quid?
M645 What's one pound, I got thirty eh one pound seventeen and six a ton.
M608 mmhm
F644 No, thirty s-s-s- //s-s-s-//
M645 //So I done// ten ton a week!
F644 Aye.
M645 So that was eh, wait, fifteen pound a week, innit?
M608 Fifteen pound a week?
M645 //That's what I mean. That was guid//
F644 //That's what we got.//
M645 money then. I mean the miners wurnae even makin, the miners wurnae even makin ten pound a week then.
M608 God, aye.
M645 //[inaudible]//
F644 //That's right.//
M608 Where were you from before?
M645 //Well, we came fae, aye.//
F644 //We came fae Kennaway.//
M645 This is the, this is the west o Fife, innit? //Aye, we came//
F644 //mmhm//
M645 fae the east o Fife,
M608 uh-huh
M645 tae here.
F644 mmhm
M608 So you've always been in Fife, have you?
M645 //Aye, well no we're fae Perth, we're fae Perth.//
F644 //mm we're fae Perth.// //We're fae Perth, John.//
M608 //oh right.//
M645 //Aye, we've been in//
F644 //mmhm//
M645 Fife noo, we come doon fae Perth when we was twenty-five, //eh?//
F644 //mmhm//
M608 mmhm
M645 We've been in Perth for, we're the Fifers noo.
M608 Aye, but you you grew up in Perth did ye?
M645 //We grew up in Perth, aye. We're Perth. My faither's actually a an Orcadian.//
F644 //Aye, [CENSORED: forename] grew up in Perth, aye.// //I was sayin that//
M645 //We come fae Orkney!//
F644 //tae John.//
M608 //Aye, you were sayin that.// //[inaudible]//
M645 //So I'm aw Orkney blood in me, John.//
M608 Aye.
M645 //We're aw Orkney blood. She's no. So, I was tellin the bairns//
F644 //Cause his mum and dad's both Orcadians. I'm no, I'm a Fifer.//
M645 they're half Orkney blood, and they've got tae visit Orkney.
F644 //Well,//
M608 //Aye.//
F644 [CENSORED: forename] I was sayin tae John that [CENSORED: forename]'s //goin up tae see the racin//
M645 //mm mm//
F644 up there. //So we//
M645 //Aye.//
F644 hope that he would get, because I wid like him tae see the Orkneys.
M645 //Now we'll//
M608 //Aye.//
M645 go off of that, right we'll go off the joab. Right, I was on the, I was on the, he gied me a horse and he worked there. And eh, he gied me a caravan tae live in.
M608 uh-huh
M645 //So I come back and forrit fae Kennaway.//
F644 //Aye, and he stayed three nights a week.//
M645 Ye see? So I didna get enough money tae go back.
F644 //So, it's aboot forty//
M608 //mm//
M645 //Kennaway//
F644 //miles.//
M645 is aboot forty mile. Kennaway. We didnae hae enough money //tae go back, so I//
F644 //Tae go back and forward.//
M645 so I slept in the caravan. //Monday night and Tuesday night.//
F644 //Three nights a week.// No, Monday //Wednesd-//
M645 //And came hame on// Wait a minute, I'm tellin the story! //And came hame on Wednesdays.//
F644 //I thought it was Mondays and Wednesdays.//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 And came back on Thursday mornin.
F644 Then
M645 And worked till Friday night and went hame Seturday and Sunday.
M608 uh-huh
M645 That's how the job startit up there. Now when I was daein the job back and forrit I speired this wee hoose.
M608 uh-huh
M645 I speired this wee hoose here.
F644 But it was boarded up.
M645 Aye, and I went, and I went tae see the railway boy. And the boy says, "oh it belongs tae the fermer. He's just bocht it six month ago."
M608 Aye.
M645 //So I went up tae the fermer.//
F644 //For eighty-seven pounds!// //Aye, eighty-seven pounds.//
M645 //Wait a minute. I'm tellin the story!//
M608 //Eighty-seven? [laugh]//
M645 No, the boy says, the fermer says, "I bocht it for a hundred and fifty pound." //And I says, "I'll buy it aff ye."//
M608 //oh right.//
M645 He says, "Right, I'll need twa hundred pound for it." Well I says, "I've nae money." He says, I says, "Well, I'll pay it up a fiver a week." So, I paid it up a fiver a week.
M608 uh-huh
M645 //So, I used the brainwave, wait a//
F644 //So that left us wi ten pound tae live on, John.//
M645 minute the noo! I used the brain wave, John. I says, "I better keep a receipt o this."
M608 Aye.
M645 See? So every time I gied him the fiver. Is that workin? [gestures at recorder]
F644 //Aye.//
M608 //Aye.//
M645 Every time that I gied him the fiver, John,
F644 He signed and dated it.
M645 I signed and dated it. //So it//
M608 //mmhm//
M645 was a hail year. //Fifty-//
F644 //hm//
M645 two times fivers is what? It taen me a hail year.
M608 mmhm
F644 Twenty pound a month, ye paid.
M608 hm //That's two hundred//
M645 //Well it taen me//
M608 and forty, aye, mhmm.
M645 //Aye, it taen me hail a year tae pay it.//
F644 //He paid it up in about a year. He'd tae pay it// up. Aye, ye paid it up in //a year.//
M645 //And I got him tae,// tae //sign it at the end.//
F644 //Sign it// up.
M645 But it was three years fae him, before we got the //deeds.//
F644 //He wouldnae// //give us the deeds, John.//
M645 //He wouldnae gie us// the deeds.
M608 Good God.
M645 //He wouldnae gie us them eh?//
F644 //And if we hadnae had// that wee slip o paper, //we wouldnae have got it.//
M645 //Aye, it's a good job I// kept that. I went tae my, what do you ca it, the
F644 The lawyer?
M645 //Aye.//
M608 //Aye.//
M645 And he he //says ye, a good job I had that.//
F644 //eh// //And the lawyer went//
M645 //And that's how//
F644 to him and couldnae, he wouldnae give us //it and//
M645 //And we finish up, we// kept goin tae him, every week, I says, "come on you come up wi him walk the other way." //An he//
F644 //And// and his wife, in the end, //gave us his lawyer's name.//
M645 //n- naw! Efter aboot// twa year he says, "I'm fed up o youse comin up here every week." //"Go on there and see see the damn lawyer," he says. "And tell them tae get it ower tae you."//
F644 //mmhm "And get them!"// //And do ye know what he was goin tae do? Do ye know what he was goin to do? He was//
M645 //oh I was gled o that oh [?]by gee[/?] eh?//
F644 chargin that money for rent.
M645 eh?
F644 He was gonnae take that money for rent, for the //time that we'd been in, because there was another party interested in the hoose, when we//
M645 //Aye he was gonna take it for rent. Aye there, aye ye, another per-//
F644 had started doin it up.
M645 ah no, between aw they, aw they, aw that years.
M608 uh-huh
M645 Ken, we added windaes tae it and it was //increasin the//
M608 //mm//
M645 value. It was worth aboot,
M608 Aye.
M645 worth aboot five hundred, and that was a lot of money then.
M608 Aye.
M645 Whereas that was //aboot three or fower years work tae me!//
F644 //So that's how we got this place, John.//
M608 Aye.
F644 For two hundred pound.
M608 mmhm So what was it like when your first moved in?
F644 oh it was //terrible. It was an old bu-. This was the old waitin room and post-office.//
M645 //oh aye, when we first moved in. There was nae windaes in it. The windaes were blocked up eh?//
F644 //This used tae//
M608 //uh-huh//
F644 be a post-office, that's how we had a post-box.
M608 mmhm
F644 And this is the, half of it's halved, and there was windows. //And//
M645 //mmhm//
F644 that was the post-office, and this was the waitin-room bit. //And there was a//
M645 //uh-huh//
M608 //mm//
F644 big fire in that corner, and there was a big fire there.
M645 There was five chimneys in the hoose, John.
F644 There were five fires in this //house, it was only a but an a ben!//
M645 //Five fires.// Aye, a but and a ben! //There's//
F644 //A but and a ben.//
M645 //one,//
M608 //uh-huh//
M645 //two, three, four, five.//
F644 //And the door// that ye came in was actually where these eh French doors in our room comes in. //And the//
M645 //Now that was windows.//
F644 ashes were higher than the doors; the //woman used tae take the ashes and go//
M645 //aye, mm aye.//
F644 pshew out the door in the mornin.
M608 uh-huh
F644 And the ashes were that //high. It took us//
M608 //[laugh]//
F644 dw- weeks and weeks and weeks, //diggin.//
M645 //An ootside toilet eh?// //An ootside toilet.//
F644 //And an ootside toilet, but a flush// //toilet.//
M645 //Ye go oot there, John, roond// //the back and hae tae dae it,//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 //but it was a flush toilet. That was good.//
F644 //So, it was a flush.// //And it was snowin.//
M645 //It wisnae the old daein doon the bottom of the gairden whaur ye.//
F644 It was snowin, and I says tae [CENSORED: forename] the kids came through then, ye see, cause ma mum used tae look after them, while we cleaned it, and the rats used tae eat the wallpaper off. And we got a big hose and we washed aw the walls doon an awthing //and that.//
M645 //And an auld//
F644 And we got the rat man //oot.//
M645 //When ye// wash yer claes there was an auld //shed ootside, wi a big biler where ye'd tae light the fire.//
F644 //The auld wash house, it was an auld wash house wi a boiler.//
M608 uh-huh
M645 //We'd tae light the fire.//
F644 //It was quite// interestin, ye know. //And eh//
M645 //oh aye, we aye had tae light a fire.//
F644 the weeds were heavens high in the garden, and //[swallow]//
M645 //And oot here, oot here, John, was the auld// //well we're//
F644 //The old well.//
M645 //tellin ye aboot.//
M608 //oh aye.//
M645 //The big hole, wi the big pump!//
F644 //We shoulda kept it wi//
M608 Aye.
M645 //Aye, the big pump eh? Wished//
F644 //We should have kept that.//
M645 that we'd have kept that pump eh? //The big pump.//
F644 //Aye, it's away.// //And these t-//
M645 //So, I'd taen the pump doon.// And, I, the hole's, we dinnae ken where the hole is, but the hole's still there. I just covered it wi big slabs.
M608 uh-huh
F644 Aye, iron.
M645 No, big, concrete slabs. //The hole must be oot aboot here, and I'm aye gonna look for it,//
F644 //I thought it was big iron, a big iron thing you put on it.//
M645 because it was away doon. I //I put a big stick, John, it was//
F644 //oh it's f-f- bottomless.//
M645 twenty-four feet long, I couldnae get the end o it.
F644 It's bottomless.
M645 I couldnae get the end o it.
F644 So they pumped the water out, ye see, John, it went out in these big concrete blocks //at the top, and that was the toilet.//
M645 //I got water, like, but I couldnae get the end o the bloody hole!// //[laugh]//
F644 //That was your toilet then, ye see.// But they had put a flush-toilet in for the lady that worked in the signal-box. Cause she used to use this toilet.
M608 Aye.
F644 But then when we bought the house, they had to add that wee toilet onto the signal box. //Ye see?//
M645 //Aye.//
F644 So, the wall was thick, and the kids was here, and it was snowin heavens hard. And ye had tae run away oot roond there tae the toilet, and I said tae [CENSORED: forename], "Fetch the sledge-hammer." //And he//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 //Aye we banged a hole through the wa. A big thick wa like that, John. We banged a hole through.//
F644 //banged a hole through the wa, and then I hung a curtain up. So we just had tae go through// oh I couldnae have you all runnin roon in the cold.
M645 //Have a listen tae that, John,//
M608 //[inaudible]//
M645 we'd tae sleep a hail month wi this big hole. //Just a curtain doon.//
F644 //[laugh]//
M645 //Good job there's nae robberies then eh?//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 //Just a curtain doon.//
F644 //Aye.//
M608 And that was in the middle o winter?
F644 And that was in the middle o winter.
M645 Well that was, naw, well it was //summer comin in.//
F644 //It was October, November.// //No, December. Well, the kids are, they came.//
M645 //[inaudible] We flitted in here. Ye ken now, John, we// flitted in here fae a joab, between Christmas and New //Year week, eh//
F644 //That's right. mmhm.//
M645 And the //three bairns wernae at the scuil.//
F644 //Cause// No.
M645 [CENSORED: forename] was fo-, no, [CENSORED: forename] has jist //she startit the scuil.//
F644 //She started the school,// and [CENSORED: forename] was just gonna //start.//
M645 //Aye she startit the scuil.//
F644 And my mum stayed just along //fae us,//
M645 //Aye.//
F644 in eh Thornton, //and//
M645 //[inaudible]//
F644 sh- we used tae take the kids tae her and then I came through here and cleaned aw this place, so I widnae bring the kids, ye see. So, I cleaned aw this place. //Until the kids.//
M645 //Aye and when we arrived in the first// night, we just put the one bed up and the hail lot o //us just clattered in the one bed. Five o us,//
F644 //slept in the the double bed.//
M608 //[laugh]// //[laugh]//
M645 //aw in one bed, eh.// And we had a bi- we had a big roarin fire //goin [inaudible], and I walked through there. I walked//
F644 //uh-huh ah, we had plenty fires, John.//
M645 through the back room, John, and here, here's the rats looking through the //hole, lookin at me! [laugh]//
F644 //Aye, out the fire,// //Yeah.//
M645 //Lookin at me, because the light went// //on.//
F644 //I was terrified.//
M645 See that's the best, this is the best way I bocht this hoose, John, because o the electric lighting. //It had water.//
F644 //And it had water.//
M645 Two good essentials that would have cost a fortune.
M608 Aye.
M645 So we got the man tae put the light on //eh.//
F644 //Aye.//
M645 The electric man pit the light on. //[inaudible] was done. Aw the old cables and aw that//
F644 //And then we got the rat man out, and he got rid o the rats.//
M645 were at a risk, ye ken? They were aw //mice and rats. [laugh]//
F644 //Dangerous.//
M645 So we had, I'd, I rewired it //aw mysel eh?//
F644 //mm rewired// it all. //oh what a work we had, John!//
M645 //And they were they auld stupid wires,// John, where ye tied a knot. //And ye pit a wee//
M608 //oh aye.//
M645 cone, ower the top. //That's, aye.//
M608 //oh right.//
M645 you got the wire come like that, right? //You got two//
M608 //uh-huh//
M645 wires, ye tie the knot and ye head it like that. That's how ye jined electric wires years ago.
M608 Gosh!
M645 //And ye put a wee cone, and ye screwed it oan.//
F644 //Aye.//
M608 oh right, I think //I've seen that//
F644 //Aye.//
M645 //eh?//
M608 //mm// I've seen that in a //[inaudible].//
M645 //Aye, well that// covers your bare wire.
F644 That's right. //But then, ye see, the rats were eatin the wires as well.//
M645 //See that's how ye joined them, [inaudible].// But mind, ye had a big box ye pit pit them in.
M608 uh-huh
M645 Ken, tae keep
M608 Aye. mm
M645 //keep, aye, aye a junction-box, that's how they were aw joined.//
F644 //Aye a, the big junction-box, the black junction-boxes.// But we got rid o the rats. We got the electric. We got the house in order. //And then,//
M645 //But I rewired it all and put// //wires in aw//
F644 //aye.// //And we we barricaded up//
M645 //mysel, and done aw that oh//
F644 their windows and that, and this bit and that. And we knocked a door through there //wi that bits o wood up there. And we made this a living-room.//
M645 //Aye, cawed a door through there tae here.//
M608 mmhm
M645 //Aye, and this is the first thing I'd//
F644 //And we got this bit organised.//
M645 tae dae here. I ripped the flair up. //And I//
F644 //Aye,//
M645 tak three ton o earth oot
F644 oot.
M645 o here. //Oot that//
F644 //Cause the// floor was level wi the earth, John, underneath, //there was nae air.//
M645 //W-, where was the door, [CENSORED: forename]?//
F644 Out here.
M645 No, that wisnae a door, that was a windae. The door was there where John's sittin. //Because we had tae go that side, had tae go that side//
F644 //Aye, there was two windows and a door there.//
M645 for the ticket-room, //and this side for//
F644 //Aye.// //That's right. Aye.//
M645 //the waitin. This was the waitin-room, John.// //And that was the ticket-room.//
F644 //And the post-office.//
M645 Aye.
F644 And the man that lived in here before we moved in here, John, was a wood-cutter, and he couldnae afford tae buy it.
M645 mm //He was gettin offered it for seventy-five pound.//
F644 //And he had five sons. And he got offered it// fae the railway for seventy-five pound and he couldnae buy it.
M645 //Aye.//
M608 //mm//
M645 //[inaudible]//
F644 //So he had to go out,// and you'll never believe this, but one of the fellas, that came back and seen the house //no many months ago,//
M645 //Yeah, yeah, yeah.//
F644 and and eh, [CENSORED: forename]'s sister's laddie works beside one o the fellas that used tae //live here.//
M645 //Aye.// mm yeah.
F644 And he he regrets the day he left here.
M608 Aye.
M645 [?]So as the femily got oan, John, bigger,[/?] I decided there was nae room, cause we just had the wan, //a but and a//
F644 //Bedroom.//
M645 ben, one bedroom and the scullery and that. So there was five o us! //So I bought a prefab.//
F644 //So we bought two prefabs!//
M645 Prefabs //come up on the//
M608 //oh right.//
M645 paper, they were demolishin them aw, //a hund- a hundred quid for each.//
F644 //At Helensfield.//
M608 Aye.
M645 //Hundred pound each.//
F644 //At Helensfield.// //You know Helensfield? As you go along the by-pass, ye see Helensfield.//
M645 //So I got a, ken what a prefab is, John?//
M608 oh right. Okay.
M645 //Ken what//
F644 //Aye.//
M645 prefabs are, John, //eh?//
M608 //Aye.//
M645 I bought a prefab. So I stuck it on the side.
M608 uh-huh
M645 So that gien us a toilet, //eh.//
F644 //And a bathroom and a kitchen.//
M645 Aye, a kitchen, //that was the main thing.//
F644 //And a the bathroom,// and a back //door.//
M645 //Aye.// So we made the auld scullery intae a bedroom.
M608 mmhm
M645 So that gien us another wee bit, ye ken?
M608 Aye.
M645 //And eh,//
F644 //Aye, that's right.//
M645 and the big livin-room, I split it through the middle, cause we had a split faimilie, ye see; the twa lassies and a laddie.
M608 Aye.
M645 //Twa laddies and a lassie. So we had tae gie [CENSORED: forename] a wee room//
F644 //Aye.// //That's right, aye.//
M645 //tae hersel eh? And// we slept in the livin-room, //an the laddies//
F644 //Aye.// //Aye.//
M645 //slept in the wee bedroom.// So that gien us this wee room. //And it gien//
F644 //uh-huh//
M645 us the prefab for us eatin our grub in! //So, we made the entrance.//
F644 //We had the kitchen,// the bathroom and the back //door and the toilet.//
M645 //We made the entrance off// the prefab, and we came through that hole. Well that hole noo wisnae a hole, it wis a big door.
M608 Aye.
F644 Aye. //It was lovely.//
M645 //[?]Ken a back door.[/?]// //Into the, eh?//
F644 //mmhm// //And that bit//
M645 //eh//
F644 where my kitchen is now, used to be the car park!
M608 The car park?
F644 mmhm
M645 eh //Aye! No, that was a prefab, right? So, as it, as the family increased, John, her mither//
F644 //That used to be a car-park. mmhm. Ye'll see it up there, John.//
M645 [CENSORED: forename]'s mither, we used to live [CENSORED: forename]'s mother got no weel.
M608 Aye.
M645 So, I got anither prefab! And stuck it on the back, for to gie her a room.
M608 ah right.
M645 //eh eh [CENSORED: forename]? Tae gie her a room in the back.//
F644 //mmhm, well we had that room// for a while till mum //took ill.//
M645 //Aye, and// //she lived in that room for a bat- for a while.//
F644 //mmhm mmhm//
M645 So we, what happened then, we had tae get a, brek a wa, a hole through the //back wa. Another//
F644 //That door to the room.//
M645 three fit wa, door tae go //intae that room, [laugh], yeah.//
F644 //It was actually a cupboard. It was a cupboard.// //That was a cupboard, and we broke the wall//
M645 //Aye it was a cupboard, aye [inaudible] through.//
F644 through to get in.
M608 mmhm
M645 And see how see how I made the prefab, John? Ye didnae build bricks.
M608 uh-huh
M645 Ken, this was aw //ye wernae [inaudible].//
F644 //It was sectional.//
M645 No! I pit sleepers doun.
M608 Right? //Okay.//
M645 //Railway sleepers.// Right? I got, we got, they'd started eh demolishin the railway? //I got sleepers//
F644 //uh-huh//
M645 and built the prefab on the flair, on tap o aw the sleepers.
M608 uh-huh //When ye first//
M645 //And the same wi here,// they were aw sleepers! //Nae brick//
M608 //oh right.//
M645 founds or anything.
M608 When ye first moved in here was the railway still workin?
M645 //The railway was still workin. The railways//
F644 //Aye, passenger// trains was still runnin past, but they didnae stop. //And then//
M645 //The rai-//
F644 Longannet power station was every three and //five or six trains.//
M645 //We came in in sixty-five// //John, so//
F644 //At night time the// trains went tae, John, //aw night.//
M645 //So the double railway// //still//
M608 //mm//
M645 kept goin till nineteen seventy.
F644 mmhm
M608 mmhm
M645 And they gane, the pits startit tae gang doun.
M608 uh-huh
M645 In nineteen seventy. //Started tae gang, when the pits run doon. I think the miner's//
F644 //Aye, the pits would go down then, that's right.//
M645 strike was in nineteen seventy-two was it, no? No it was in ei- a was it eighty two I'm thinkin, mind.
M608 [inaudible]
M645 However, they done away wi one //line, when the pits shut.//
F644 //It was seventy-two, wasn't it?//
M608 I think it was.
M645 And they kept the single line open for aboot what? //oh about another//
F644 //A wee while.// //We'd a night watchman, and a//
M645 //Seventy-five!//
F644 and a lady through the day, and her husband worked at //nights.//
M645 //Aye.// In the signal-boax.
F644 In the signal- //box.//
M645 //The woman// hauled the levers through the day. //Now I I couldnae haul that lever, John,//
F644 //The woman worked the signal box. Alice!//
M645 cause I tried it! and that woman in her hut hauled that //bloody lever. It//
F644 //Watch the cable!//
M645 was a way oot. The lever was away oot. The furthest signal was away up this side o that bridge //at Forbes's.//
M608 //uh-huh// mm
M645 Ken the bridge ower the field?
F644 She pulled they //cables.//
M645 //That was the// furthest oot, that's a guid what?
F644 They werenae electrical, //the were t- hand.//
M645 //That's a good nine// hundred yairds up there, John. Nine hundred ye- that was the furthest signal oot. //she had tae haul oot//
F644 //mmhm//
M645 //eh that signal.//
M608 //Aye.//
F644 And the other one was at that water bridge.
M645 And there was, eh? There was ane there.
F644 ah but there was one away, far oot at that water bridge.
M645 And there was ane at the other side o that bridge //there.//
F644 //There was the// crossin there.
M645 And there was right ane away way doon afore //ye come tae the corner.//
F644 //uh-huh// //Aye, we lost many a cat on that//
M645 //Ower the burn where the burn went away ower the [inaudible].//
F644 railway, John.
M645 eh?
M608 mm
F644 Many a cat we lost on that railway.
M645 Ken what we used tae like on the railway. See when they.
F644 They've used tae go past. //The puffies, the puffies used tae go past.//
M645 //Aye, the old steam-tails went past, John.// //And they cairted the coal.//
F644 //and they flung aw the coal off// //in the garden, John, and ye went oot and there was huge coal, oh! [laugh].//
M645 //And they [inaudible] there, [inaudible] there, the boy that [inaudible] the coal. Big lumps is rollin oot the door, rollin oot the door, rollin oot the door,// //and eh//
F644 //And then they used tae//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 //we'd tae get along wi the barrae, [CENSORED: forename] eh?//
F644 //throw it in the garden. As,// ken the bit at the back? They used tae full it fu for //us and they used tae hoot their horn. And then,//
M645 //And we'd tae get alang wi the barrae and get the coal and aw them.//
F644 on a Sunday we'd to hurry and get the coal, //and then, on a Sunday there//
M608 //[inaudible]//
F644 was nae nae trains, ye see, so ye could walk the line //on a Sunday and pick aw the coal up ye wanted.//
M645 //Aye, we used tae walk that line and that, uh-huh//
M608 Good God!
M645 //Aye a whole lot o coal and that.//
F644 //It was great in they// days! And then the puffies came along and all the bankins used tae go on fire, ye see? //So//
M608 //Aye.//
F644 they had tae beat the fire oot, and the fire-engines used tae hae tae come and put aw the fires oot.
M645 mm
F644 There was nae g- overgrown bankings then. It was //bare.//
M645 //mm// Tell John aboot yer wee dug, eh? Crossed //the railway.//
F644 //oh aye,// the poodle.
M645 Aye. //Crossed the railway. Ken there was a walkway across the railway. Ken sleepers how ye walked on them to the signal-box.//
F644 //We'd a wee poodle, and [CENSORED: forename] [CENSORED: forename]'s poodle, but she went away up the wood on// her bike round the road.
M608 uh-huh
F644 And Cherie was in, and I says, "Don't let Cherie see where ye're goin." Well, Cherie sh- f- got oot and smelt [CENSORED: forename] and she crossed the train, //and the train//
M645 //Aye.//
F644 was comin and the driver couldnae stop.
M608 Aye.
F644 So, of course, she fell, and she fell in the //middle of the track.//
M645 //It wis lucky.// Aye.
F644 And she was alive. And I rushed her to the vet, but she had holes in her back where the big stones, and the buffer hit her. //So we rushed her//
M645 //mm// //It wisnae the buffer [CENSORED: forename], it was the snow-plough on the front.//
F644 //to the vet. It was the big chains.// No, it was the big chains that hung doon. //And the vet s- hit her, and the and the vet said tae me, "If she lives the night, she'll live."//
M645 //oh that hit the wag- that hit the wag- oh aye hit her. Lucky it never killed her!//
M608 mmhm
F644 So she lived, but she was very badly hurt. Well, no many months ago, there was a man came intae the mill and he says tae me, "I often wonder about yer wee poodle."
M608 Aye.
F644 "For", he says, "I noticed that she ran on the railway and you were gonna run efter her and I'm sayin tae mysel, 'Dinnae run on that railway,' for I was drivin the train."
M608 Yeah.
F644 And, he says, "Ye were a young lassie then, and I'm sayin, 'oh dinnae run on the railway, dinnae run on the railway.' "
M608 So he was the driver!
F644 He was the driver! //And he says, "What happened tae//
M645 //hm He was the driver.//
F644 the poodle?" I says, "the poodle lived, //she lived."//
M645 //mmhm//
F644 And, I says, "she was badly hurt, but she lived." //An he says//
M608 //Aye.//
F644 "oh my God, I've often thocht aboot that." And, he says, "I was just wonderin if you were gonna move or no tae grab her, because I could never stopped."
M608 Aye.
F644 You know?
M645 But see they prefabs, John, over there? //Ye put they//
M608 //Aye.//
M645 prefabs on a flat roof in a run o three inches.
M608 uh-huh
M645 And I pit, I says, "Right, I'll put twa layers o felt on it." //Right?//
M608 //uh-huh//
M645 It done a a year.
F644 uh-huh
M645 And then, and then, the next year, I put another layer. Ken wha- before I hauled the prefab roof, ken how many layers o felt was on it? Nine layers! //[laugh]//
F644 //[laugh]//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 //Nine layers o felt, and I'd done, if I'd done three tae start wi would o [inaudible] it,//
F644 //The weight o the felt was that heavy!//
M645 //but it was leakin and leakin. I put anither layer, anither layer.//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 //There was thickness, eh [CENSORED: forename] aboot half an inch thick o felt!//
F644 //Nine! Nine layers on it.//
M645 oh, [?]and there[/?] that's the worst aboot three in one. Just three inches the run o the prefabs, //eh?//
F644 //And the// fire it was, when it was burnin. D- oh God, the black smoke //and that; ye wouldnae be allowed tae do that noo.//
M645 //oh, aye , now, see I was workin wi they prefabs// and that, I didnae ken aboot that. It's asbestos.
M608 Aye.
M645 And I worked thae years ago and I would nu-nu-nu- //[inaudible]//
F644 //No.//
M645 I could o been breathin //maybe.//
F644 //But this wis// the funny thing, John, when we //bought they prefabs,//
M645 //That hard asbestos like.//
F644 there was this man, and I think he was jealous, cause we bought the prefabs, //ye see?//
M608 //Aye.//
F644 And there was a m- barrow went a-missin - a shitey barrow [laugh]. //[laugh]//
M645 //mm, an old barrae.//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 //So we bought it.//
F644 //And ye'll never guess what he done!//
M608 What?
F644 He sent the police over tae search oor hoose //for that barrae.//
M645 //They searched the hoose for a// barrae. Inside the hoose!
F644 For a shite
M645 And the boy was lookin ablow the bed. //I says, "What are ye lookin for?" He says, "Well I've got tae look everywhere."//
F644 //[inhale]// //For a barrae! It was covered in//
M645 //[laugh]//
F644 muck, horses' //muck and everything.//
M645 //All muck, [inaudible].//
F644 And I says tae him, "Who would lift a barrae wi that on it." Ye know? "oh, well," he says, "y- eh this man declares that you've got this barrae." //I says, "Well, if "//
M645 //Yeah, well, aye.//
M608 //What is a barrae?//
F644 A barrae is it, the b- garden //barrow, garden barrow.//
M645 //A barrae, a barrae, for shovellin stuff in. The barrae, we used that in the prefab doon. The barrae was aye there.//
M608 Aye.
M645 //And this boy was usin it, and I says, "That's//
F644 //And it was covered in muck.//
M645 a guid barrae ye've got, Jock, that's a guid barrae ye've got." //And he must've//
F644 //And.//
M645 thought I'd fancied his barrae. //So the next//
F644 //And.//
M608 //oh right.//
M645 time he went ower, //the barrae was missin.//
F644 //The barrae was missin.// //And he blamed us.//
M645 //It wasnae us that stole it.// So we was loadin the wa //of the prefabs an all hing eh.//
F644 //And we were accused of stealin// that barrae, and they came over and searched the house, John, even the attic, for that barra!
M645 I cairrit out aw the prefab repair there, and I'd just //a car trailer, just a car trailer. Cairriet it aw in a car trailer. It was smaller than the hail prefab. See that//
F644 //Me and him. Aye, me and you lifted them. John, they were heavy. I lifted them.//
M645 prefab? That boy had his caravan inside the prefab.
F644 Aye. //Two caravans. Two caravans.//
M645 //He'd a good idea. He bought his big, long caravan eh?// Aye. He bought his big long caravans.
F644 Aye.
M645 And he bought a prefab, and pit aw roond aboot his caravan //eh, for heat and everything, it was a good idea.//
F644 //Aye, and lived in the, and lived in the actual caravans.//
M608 Aye.
M645 So he advertised in the paper, an I went ower and he said, "My caravan's inside there."
M608 [laugh]
F644 Aye.
M645 And he says, "Ye'll hae tae watch when ye dismantle it. Ye no wantin tae buy a caravan?" //Aye eh.//
F644 //Two caravans! He took off the drawbars and put them//
M645 No, they werenae. They were,
F644 back to back.
M645 They were thingied like that, John.
F644 //And he//
M608 //uh-huh//
F644 And he had a door goin through them, eh?
M645 Ye know the bolt on the pref-, they bolted his, they bolted his caravans like that, ken they were two //square-end caravans like that,//
F644 //Two caravans.//
M645 shoved together.
M608 Aye.
M645 And that's how, //they, that's how they bocht them.//
F644 //Made a braw hoose, John.//
M645 Draw-bar here, //and a draw-bar there, John,//
F644 //Made a braw hoose.//
M645 and they backed in like that and bolted up, and made a big, long //hoose.//
F644 //And every night// he came home fae his work, that was oor job; the kids and I, me and him. Ower tae Helensfield wi the car and the trailer and liftin mair sections o that ca- that //prefabs.//
M645 //It wis//
M608 Aye.
M645 //See see the pittin the big//
F644 //I wis knackereed.//
M645 //sheets o a//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 caravan? See the big ca- they big sheets o //prefab, right?//
F644 //Prefabs.//
M608 //Prefab.// mm
M645 Me it was, the g- bairns were wee, and I'd hae a ledder against the eh once you got aw, I put aw the //oo-oo-oo- o//
F644 //oh aye.// //I put the roof up wi him, John!//
M645 //sheets!// I put aw the sheets mysel, I lifted them mysel; got her oot then and guided //them in.//
F644 //And we// //used a rope! A rope.//
M645 //And put the ledder doon like that and sh-, and I had tae put a rope at the bottom o the ledder,//
M608 Aye.
M645 and I was doon there. And she had tae get the sheets, the sheets.
F644 And push!
M645 O the roof, they were. They were four, be fower, be fower. Ye pit them on the rope, threw the rope up tae me, and I hauled the rope up, and she was at the bottom shovin them up. And that's how we got them on the roof.
M608 [inaudible] //[laugh]//
M645 //It was just the two o us eh [CENSORED: forename]?// //That's how//
F644 //Aye.//
M645 we got aw they sheets in the roof.
M608 mmhm
M645 A hail room that bedroom and that hail //big ba-//
F644 //I mean I was just// a wee thin lassie then. I was //only what, aboot nine stone?//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 No, but that's //how we got them up on the roof. That's how, I think,//
F644 //In they days. mmhm//
M645 they thingied your hert, was daein aw that.
F644 //Well maybe.//
M608 //Aye.//
M645 //A that heavy work.//
F644 //Aye. No it was// thyroid that did that.
M645 eh?
F644 Thyroid that did that. //Anyhow.//
M645 //No but that// how we got thae thick //sheets up there.//
F644 //That was how we// got our prefabs up, and then we'd to take them down again, of course.
M645 Now, I actually built twa hoose. Ken, I built aw they, renovate aw they hooses, built aw they an- Right? We lived in that for //aboot ten year.//
F644 //mm// And then, these prefabs //were new, John.//
M645 //We were always gonna get// intae trouble wi the old prefabs. No! We, //ken what I done?//
M608 //uh-huh//
M645 I built brick roond aboot the ootside o them.
F644 Aye, we got a builder, and he built //brick round them.//
M645 //Aye, built brick// roond the the hail //lot o them.//
F644 //And tied// all the brick //in.//
M645 //So the// cooncil wouldnae say //nothin aboot them. Ken we were kind of gettin intae bother, because it was gettin, eh,//
F644 //And he was no [inaudible] at all. And it looked nice.// Looked nice.
M645 So they built brick in them, //but I still had the flat roof eh?//
F644 //Mind, they were braw// //prefabs. They were lovely prefabs.//
M645 //Aye.// And then, as we were gettin, business was buildin up //and getting mair money, and she says, "Right." I//
F644 //And gettin more money, we//
M645 says, "Right! I'm gonna caw aw they doon."
F644 And we //got a builder in.//
M645 //Caw aw the prefabs doon.//
F644 An architect came in and drew plans, and then we got through the council and then they, //the builder from [?]Valleyfield[/?] came and did the the buildin.//
M645 //No! But before I done that, John. I got.// No. I got the plans passed. So I built a she-. I got the builder, he co-. No the back bit, tae build the richt wa, two fit oot fae the prefab. //So when I start cawin that doon.//
F644 //And the prefab is still up ye see!//
M608 aw, right.
M645 When I start cawin that doon, we're still gonnae hae a bit tae live in.
M608 uh-huh
M645 So we'd tae watch what we were daein. //So we built//
M608 //oh, aye.//
M645 it richt oot; right oot there. //Right oot there. Right right along, aye, built a skin right oot.//
F644 //We built the old, the new house round the old house and took the old house out the window,// //That's what we done, John. That's what we did!//
M645 //And then we got that, the the// skin was [?]bulgin[/?] up. I got the big tresses,
M608 uh-huh
M645 //Tresses eh? Aye, they were workin wi me then.//
F644 //But the laddies had grown up by this time, John, so.//
M608 They were helpin?
M645 //They were workin, aye. So we done this bit; we done this half o the hoose.//
F644 //They built, they helped and took the prefabs down, and they put the roof on wi father.//
M645 We done this half o the hoose first.
F644 Aye.
M645 And that gien us a scullery.
M608 Aye.
M645 And the livin room. So this was aw done, right.
F644 Aye.
M645 So we lived, whit? We lived aboot //another three or fower year, still wi the//
F644 //So, the rooms were still.//
M645 flat roofs //prefab.//
F644 //Aye.//
M645 And the two bedrooms.
F644 No, we had the whole house aw //built.//
M645 //No, I didnae dae it aw in wan.// I done the half a roof. And then we were four year and then I done //the other half roof.//
F644 //oh, aye, ye did the// half, that's //right. Aye. Just//
M645 //Aye, just as the money went. That's how we did it.//
F644 as our money went.
M645 And then we got aw //got aw the heating in.//
F644 //We didnae have a mortgage, ye see.//
M645 eh?
M608 mm
F644 We didnae take a mortgage anyway. We just done //as our money was goin, John.//
M645 //We didna get a mortgage. We just done// we just done as the money dae. And then we we fetched the walls oot and inside and then we got the saw mill, we got the saw mill ower there.
M608 mmhm
F644 Well, that was nine years ago ye bought that. //That bit o//
M645 //Aye.//
F644 ground came up for sale, John, and we'd been looking after it for twenty-five //years.//
M645 //Yeah.//
M608 //Aye.//
F644 And we asked if we could buy it private off the railway, and they said "No"; we'd have tae go an [?]s- auction[/?] //for it.//
M645 //Aye.// Aye. //mm//
F644 //And there were//
M608 //Aye.//
F644 six folk interested in that. Even a blind man!
M608 mmhm
M645 //Now what was he gonnae dae with it?//
F644 //And what was he// gonnae do with //it?//
M645 //[laugh]//
F644 And, [CENSORED: forename] had took ill then. //And he//
M645 //Aye.//
F644 just come oot o hospital and was gettin on his feet again. And he came, eh he went to the auction wi us and he bidded for us and eh, what was it it went, we got it //for?//
M645 //We didn't.// It was nineteen eh?
F644 How much did we pay for that bit o ground?
M645 For that bit of grund, three and a half thoosand //for that bit o grund eh? Aye, aye.//
F644 //Three and a half thousand for that bit o ground.//
M645 Just that wee bit o grund and //that was a lot o money//
F644 //Just that wee end.//
M645 //then. That was whit?//
M608 //How long ago// was that?
M645 //That was aboot fif-.//
F644 //That was a lot of money.// //Nine, twelve years. Twelve, twelve years. Twelve or thirteen years ago.//
M645 //eh. When [CENSORED: forename], just afore [CENSORED: forename] went tae Japan. Aboot twelve, fourteen year ago. Aye, aye.//
F644 And, we had tae buy it. We had tae keep biddin, and we had tae buy it.
M645 oh, aye I was, we was willin tae bid richt //up [inaudible].//
F644 //And, ye know,// it was right up to our front windows here.
M608 mmhm, oh, aye.
M645 //Aye, we just had the wee bit grund there, John. That's the wee bit o grund. We had the use o the road.//
F644 //That. Just had that bit round the house!// //And that, that was aw for sale.//
M645 //A the rest wis for sale. There wasnae anybody [inaudible].// We'd o needed tae build a big brick wa. We'd m- bi-. We'd o been bloody in jile.
F644 We could a been, had a scrappie in here.
M608 Aye.
F644 Forbes! //[laugh]//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 //We got plans//
F644 //[laugh]//
M645 tae renovate the hoose. Ken whit year it was? Nineteen eighty-two, and I says, "It'll tak ten years for me tae dae it." //And I've no even finished//
F644 //It's just aboot!//
M645 it yet. This is //ninety-two!//
F644 //Well, round// the windows has to //be done and the rones is to be done.//
M645 //This is ninety-two and ninety-eight. That's// //sixteen.//
M608 //Aye.//
M645 That's aboot sixteen //year noo.//
F644 //But ye// hivnae done anything to //it for ages, ye know.//
M645 //Aw I've got tae finish is what?//
F644 The windows round the back and //the and the rones is aboot aw.//
M645 //Aye that's aboot aw. Aye that should// be aw. I kent it would tak me //ten year.//
F644 //But I mean,// it was worth it. And then n- nine years, the, well the forestry was goin out, weren't they? They were //sort of//
M645 //mmhm//
M608 //Aye.//
F644 fallin apart and that. And then [CENSORED: forename] says to me, "I think I'll," We were gonna start a cafe first.
M645 Aye.
F644 And I says, "It would be nice for a cafe here." And we asked f- the council for permission and everything and they said, "No." The road entrance was the bad thing.
M608 uh-huh
F644 And for parkin, it'd be too busy.
M608 Aye.
F644 So then we suggested a saw-mill. You says su-ses-sugge- //say we'll start a saw-mill. So we asked for a saw-mill//
M645 //[inaudible] I'd aye been meaning tae for a long time.// //We'd aye had the saw-mill roon the back. We always had the part-time saw-mill roon the back.//
F644 //and they said "Yes." Aye. We'd the old one round the back.// //And they said,//
M645 //mmhm//
F644 yes, we would get a saw-mill, //if we opened//
M608 //Aye.//
F644 the the the mouth, throat of the road, so many feet. So, [CENSORED: forename] got his big machine home.
M608 mmhm
F644 And he landscaped aw that and knocked the fen- the the wall down and everything.
M608 mmhm
F644 And flattened aw that, cause that was hill out there, you see?
M608 mmhm
F644 And he knocked aw that and made it aw flat, //John.//
M645 //See your// hoose, John. We'll go on tae that. See your hoose? //Your hoose was eh//
M608 //Aye.//
F644 The forester's house.
M645 Aye, one o the foresters, but it was the gaffer forester. //And next door was the under-forester.//
F644 //uh-huh// //Helen's.//
M645 //And this boy.//
M608 //I thought// it was the other way round?
M645 //No eh, next door tae you, was it Helen's hoose, was the under-forester.//
F644 //No, Helen's house was the undergaffer.//
M645 Your hoose was the head-forester, and thingy's big hoose was the chief.
M608 ah all right.
M645 Ken, they were //chiefs then. We were aw the little Indians.//
F644 //Chief forester.// //[laugh] The chief's.//
M645 //That's how the, that's how the forestry was years ago.//
M608 //[laugh]. Aye.//
M645 //They were Indians and we were just eh.//
F644 //There's still a chief in it.//
M608 Aye. //[laugh]//
M645 //We were eh// What were we? I don-. //We were scatter-abooterers.//
F644 //No, I don't know what we're. [laugh]// //[laugh]//
M645 //Scatter-abooterers John; the glaikit//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 //boys, ye ken? [laugh]//
F644 //But I mean eh,// //That Mr Fabian,//
M645 //But that's what that was up there.//
F644 Mr Fabian was the first man in that hoose and he was in there for twenty-three years.
M645 ah but wait a minute. When we came here, there was only one business, there was the forestry and the ferm.
F644 //That's right.//
M608 //Right.//
M645 There was only one bis-, and the pit. That pit wisnae, just startin tae build when we //came here.//
F644 //mmhm//
M645 //That wisnae//
M608 //uh-huh//
M645 open that pit along there. //They were just startin tae build it eh? It wisnae even workin.//
F644 //No, it was just started. mmhm//
M645 They were just startin tae buil-. //That's how we heard//
F644 //That's right.//
M645 all the thingies and that.
M608 Aye, of course.
M645 //So look at it//
F644 //Aye.//
M645 the noo. Look at them the noo. Talk about a story. Look what it is. Look at the value; millions in pounds o this stuff up there that //sand-pit. Millions//
M608 //Yeah, aye.//
M645 //of pounds o stuff every year.//
F644 //ah look at aw the wee businesses there is round// about us //now.//
M645 //Look at aw// aw the places noo and //aw the,//
F644 //They're aw businesses.//
M645 aw the ferms up //there and that fermer there and aw.//
F644 //There's the farm; two sand-// quarries; the saw-mill; Mr Downie's telegraph poles; the nursery.
M608 uh-huh
F644 ehm //What is there? Willie Ross wi//
M645 //And there was aw that [inaudible].//
F644 his hens and his eggs, isn't there? They're all businesses, self-employeds //aren't they?//
M645 //oh aye,// but look at aw the aw the works that's come aboot [inaudible] //[inaudible]//
F644 //When ye, aye.//
M645 Because ye could //could write a story o//
F644 //Plus aw the accidents.//
M645 thirty year a Bogside nae bother. //[laugh]//
F644 //Plus aw the accidents, John.//
M608 //Aye. Aye.//
M645 Of course, you're gettin the thirty year o Bogside there, John. //That'll cost ye.//
M608 //[inaudible]//
M645 //I'll need a backhander. [laugh]//
F644 //And I'll tell ye, another thing that happened here,// was we were goin, the laddies were goin away tae the racin this mornin away down south, and we had tae be up at five o'clock in the mornin, but, before five o'clock in the mornin the, we'd two big alsatians then, and this eh couple came in the gate screamin and shoutin and hammerin on the door and the dogs were bitin them, but they couldn't care a damn who bit them, because they had a baby in their arms, which had died.
M645 oh aye, that was //the tinks.//
M608 //When was this?//
M645 //Tinks, aye?//
F644 //That was eh// when [CENSORED: forename] ma- //[CENSORED: forename] would be about seventeen.//
M645 //They lived up the road.//
M608 mm
F644 And it was hawkers, and [CENSORED: surname] up there. They didnae open the door to them.
M608 mmhm
F644 So this, the lassie, she was //a young lassie, she put the//
M645 //mm mm//
F644 bairn in [CENSORED: forename]'s arms wrapped in a tartan rug.
M608 ah dear.
F644 And we tried to resuscitate the bairn, but it was //blue and it had gone. And//
M645 //No the bairn was all blue, blue.//
F644 eh, I phoned up my doctor, and he came along, and the police, and the procurator fiscal, and the murder squad, and, you name it. We had nae hoose that day, because they took over!
M608 ah right.
F644 But, here, it was a cot death. The wee one died. He was what, six months? //It was a beautiful,//
M645 //No, they rolled on top o the bairn, I think [CENSORED: forename].//
F644 beautiful baby //she wi- he wis,//
M645 //Aye, something like that.//
F644 beautiful black curly hair and that. So, of course, ehm when they all went away, my doctor thanked me for lettin them in and everything and that.
M608 hm
F644 And eh she came back and told us what was wrong wi it. It was a cot de- she said it was a cot death.
M645 ah well they rolled on top //of the baby or something.//
F644 //She was feedin the baby in bed and she// must've slept on it, ye see.
M608 mm
F644 So, and eh, she had three other lovely children.
M608 uh-huh?
F644 But they were just young. So here, the baby got buried, didn't it, and they took it up tae Aberdeen //tae bury it.//
M645 //oh really?// //uh-huh//
F644 //Aye, mind they// took it up tae Aberdeen and we gave her ten pound tae buy flowers for the bairn; a wreath and that. And the lassie came back and thanked us hersel,
M608 Aye.
F644 later on about that. But, I mean, that was another thing that happened here. That was sad, //wisn't it?//
M608 //Aye.// Aye.
M645 //[inaudible]//
F644 //Tae have a baby.//
M645 I'd tell ye aboot the fo- aboot the forest again, John. We'd a horse.
M608 uh-huh
M645 It was eh
F644 [inaudible - name of horse]
M645 twenty-one year auld.
F644 Aye.
M645 Twenty-one year auld. Well that's the horse there. [indicates photograph]
M608 mmhm
M645 Twenty-one year auld. I had it for, fae nineteen sixty-five tae nineteen seventy.
F644 mmhm
M645 Seventy [inaudible] eh? And every time it used tae drag roon the wuid, John, it slipped its chain and ran awa. Every day!
F644 //Come home.//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 Run away right doon tae the stable, and the stable was aboot what, three-quarters of a mile doon the wuid. It run awa every day, //that horse.//
F644 //Came home to me.//
M645 //Nae wonder,//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 see in the summer-time it's glegs. See, ye ken what glegs //are? Well,//
F644 //oh, they used to bite him.//
M645 //The horse's,//
M608 //Flies?//
M645 it's muscles are there on his chest.
M608 Aye.
M645 Right, that wis, I used tae go like that.
M608 uh-huh
M645 Clean them aff and ee the blood was oozin //oot and they were aw flyin awa.//
F644 //Aye.//
M645 The blood was oozin oot. //Bitten wi they glegs, in the summer-time.//
F644 //Then we got him that stuff ye call// 'Tip n' Tail' eh //'Top n'//
M645 //eh//
F644 Tail', ye sprayed //it on it,//
M645 //But there was nae way ye// could stop the glegs. //That was that was the worst aboot that.//
F644 //n' that. We got thon stuff for it,// //but it wis.//
M645 //But see// they horses in the wuid years ago, John. //Ye used tae get//
M608 //Aye.//
M645 leathered wi boys and that, ye ken?
F644 It was sad. //We'd a young, we'd a man that looked efter the horse.//
M645 //And then naebody seen them in the wuid. Ken, let them haul// too much and everything. //Haul them up and//
M608 //Aye.//
M645 make them haul too much. And this is years ago //when that was goin on.//
F644 //Aye.//
M645 oh I hate that happenin in the wood.
M608 Aye.
M645 Ken, there was nae tractors in the wood. They were all horses then.
F644 It's aw horses comin //back now, eh?//
M645 //And eh,//
M608 Aye.
M645 Now that horse had a big long tail goin right doon tae the grund.
F644 mmhm //He'd a lovely tail.//
M645 //oh, it was a good auld// horse there, but that was his only weakness, eh? It ran //ran awa.//
F644 //He used tae run home.//
M645 And this wan day it ran awa, and I had this van.
F644 //[exhale]//
M608 //uh-huh//
M645 I I'd this van. Never telt her aboot it.
F644 No! Well, you just don't tell if it's cruelty.
M645 [?]What?[/?]
F644 Cause you're on the mike. Just be careful //what you're te-//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 //I didnae!//
F644 //tellin me.//
M645 What? //I I got a//
F644 //And ye made it run!//
M645 I never done any cruelty. I says, "Right! You're aye runnin awa." So I got, I got the rope, John, and tied it tae the back door of the van.
M608 uh-huh
M645 //The back door of the van.//
F644 //And you drove round that// wood wi that //horse.//
M645 //I didnae!// I jumped in the van and I says, "Right." Well what I did is this, "No we- you're wantin a run I'll get ye a run." So we was twenty mile an hoor. The horse was [inaudible] behind //the van. [laugh]//
F644 //Ain't that cruel eh?//
M645 Here the door swung right open. //The door swung right.//
M608 //Aye.//
M645 ah but the horse was a rope. A big long rope. //It was aw right like, ye ken.//
M608 //Aye, aye.//
M645 The door swung and here the rope come aff, and that's, //I had tae go awa and turn,//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 away doon the stable again.
F644 //He was away home.//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 //And here's anither//
F644 //And.//
M645 thing tae. Wait a minute, dear, I'll tell John aboot this. See how he used tae run awa?
M608 uh-huh
M645 Right. It was a big, still had it's, //never had, ye never//
F644 //Halter.//
M645 had reins on the horse, John. Ye never worked the bit or nothin. //Just the halter.//
F644 //Ye'd the collar.//
M645 [inaudible] the halter and the big long bit.
M608 uh-huh
M645 Rope.
M608 Rope, aye.
M645 So, when it ran awa, it held its heid tae the side like that
M608 uh-huh
M645 So it- its feet wouldnae catch the rope, and it run doon the wuid like //that.//
F644 //It was// fly eh?
M645 Right? If its feet caught in the rope it would trip up.
M608 uh-huh
F644 Aye.
M645 So it ran doun the wuid, oh, it ran awa aff tae home, ran doon the road like that, beltin doon the //road like that, awa tae the stable.//
F644 //I used to, I used to say aw [inaudible - name of horse],// here ye come again. Used tae come in doon that road and in the gate.
M645 //eh?//
M608 //Aye.//
F644 Used tae come doon the road and in the gate.
M645 So, see what I done the //next time, I says, aw,//
F644 //The trains were goin ye see, John.//
M645 I mean I've got tae try an dae somethin tae keep him from runnin. So, I got the rope, I tied a wee bit stick like that, //in the rope.//
M608 //uh-huh//
M645 Right?
M608 uh-huh?
M645 And the rope, it wouldnae, the rope hung right straight doon, just touched the grund.
M608 uh-huh
M645 [laugh] It didnae, it didnae tie s- it could've run, but it was gonnae hit this rope, //[laugh]//
M608 //[laugh]//
M645 Aye, that's whit we had tae dae //sometime.//
M608 //Did you work,// Did you work for the forestry right up until you //started the saw-mill?//
M645 //No.//
F644 //Aye.//
M645 No. I wa- we wouldnae, we was the forestry, bit we was self-employed. What ye caw sub-contract.
M608 oh right.
M645 //Sub-contractin.//
F644 //[CENSORED: forename] and [CENSORED: forename] worked wi him as well.//
M608 oh right.
M645 //Sub-contractin. What they dae. They gie ye a joab. And you get it oot//
F644 //And then he had two other man worked wi him as well. He had four men.//
M645 wey, as long as you get it oot for them. They //say, "Right",//
M608 //mm//
F644 There was four or five o them, wasn't there?
M645 eh, right eh aboot eh, //eh ten thousand trees or somethin.//
F644 //Used tae have some terrible accidents in the wood.//
M645 I'm wantin aw that bit thinned, and they're aw marked for ye.
M608 mm
M645 Right. What price'll ye get?' And I sa- I said "What price will ye gie me?" I didnae ken. I was a a rookie at the time. He says, "Right, we're gien ye thirty-seven and six tae cut the trees doon, haul them out wi yer horse, tak them tae the end of the road and load them on the lorry."
M608 mmhm
M645 Ken how we loaded them on the //lorry. Hail trees.//
F644 //Hand load.//
M608 Aye?
M645 Hail trees,
F644 Hand load.
M645 John, and the thickest [?]ring[/?] was aboot that.
M608 Aye.
M645 Hail trees, aboot fae that windae tae that windae. So there was only two o us, one boy that end and I was on the thick end.
M608 uh-huh
M645 And ye'd tae lift //them on the lorry and the lorry was that height.//
F644 //And load them.//
M645 So ye'd tae lift aw the, so ye kept aw the thick yins. See? So once ye, ye loaded the lorry, right? Ye loaded the lorry, and once ye got so much, ye loaded the lorry like that, and would pit them at that side.
M608 Aye.
M645 And once ye come tae this side, ye cudnae load any mair, cause they were goin tae fa off. So ye stuck yer pins in.
M608 uh-huh
M645 And ye pit a board in ablow them; a big board like a shelf.
M608 Aye.
M645 Right in ablow the wuid.
M608 uh-huh
M645 And it stuck oot. So you pit the board, the trees on this board //that stuck oot.//
M608 //oh okay.// Right.
M645 Right? Ye pit three on there at a time. And ye stood on another board, ye jumped up there and stood on anither board, and lifted ower the pins.
M608 mmhm
M645 And dropped them inside the lorry. //That's how we used tae load//
F644 //There's a lot o liftin.//
M645 the lorry. By the hand! //Ken, it was fifteen ton at a time, we used tae tak.//
F644 //Did that for years. Did that for years, John.//
M645 It wisnae long on loadin. Two hoors. Fou- took two hoors ye loaded. Two boys //in the grund and two boys up on the lorry.//
F644 //The lorry-driver loaded wi ye.//
M645 Four hoors it taen us tae load //[inaudible] taken us tae load fourteen ton.//
F644 //Aye, it's aw done mechanically now.//
M608 Aye.
M645 Fourteen //ton actually. So we loaded,//
F644 //It was some work we had!//
M645 //we had a load, every,//
M608 //That's hard work// //aye.//
M645 //we had a load every two weeks.//
F644 //Aye.//
M608 Keeps ye fit.
M645 //Aye.//
F644 //Aye.//
M645 [inaudible] Fit [inaudible] An then anither anither anither order came. We had tae cut the wuid to three feet nine. //Three feet nine. That was wee bits,//
F644 //That was pallet-wood.//
M645 three feet nine.
M608 mm
M645 We'd tae cut three feet nine right o that big tree. That was three feet nine. Three feet nine, three feet. We'd left aw the wee bit. So we'd tae stack them at the side o the road.
M608 Aye.
M645 Like that. And the lorry come doon the road and sat in the middle and there's bings on that side. And ye'd tae hand-load aw day intae the lorry. Now when you'd go up in the lorry you'd tae hand-load, pit them right ower the lorry. And the lorry was eh like that. //A bing of three-feet nines there. A bing of//
F644 //Sometimes big artics, John.//
M645 three-feet nines there, John. And they were lyin in the middle like that. That's how ye'd load them, was the hail length o the lorry. So, ken, say the lorry was there and the wuid was goin away up, higher and higher. So we'd tae draw forrit tae a bing that was high up.
M608 mm
M645 //And then ye loaded the top o your//
F644 //And stood on it.//
M645 lorry, which was high up. Ye know what I mean? //Stood at the side of the road//
F644 //Stood on it.//
M645 and loaded. That's how ye loaded the wuid. We hand-loaded the wood for, //och away back,//
F644 //Years!//
M645 right tae nineteen-eighty.
M608 [exhale]
M645 No, nineteen, aye aboot nineteen-eighty-five for ten year.
F644 Aye.
M645 Till I got my loader there, it was aw hand-loadit.
M608 Dear //God!//
M645 //oh yeah, aw done// //wi the hand.//
F644 //And then we had// money, so we bought a loader.
M608 Aye.
M645 I used tae load lorries mysel! //Used the hail//
F644 //Aye.//
M645 fifteen ton mysel load the lorry. //I used tae get a big//
M608 //How [?]did you do that?[/?]//
M645 long stick, John. They were six feet long. //We used tae cut them six//
M608 //Aye.//
M645 feet long.
M608 uh-huh
M645 Right? Ye pit the six feet on the lorry, go to this end and [inaudible] it up.
M608 Aye.
M645 Right, the boy's in the lorry. He he, right, ye ken, ye pit pins in, he laid them on the pins like and he pit his end up and loaded up once it got higher and higher. //See?//
M608 //uh-huh//
M645 So, so what i-, near the end, that was the problem! Get, at the end, once your lorry's there. So ye kept the space in the middle. Ye built, ye built the back o yer lorry, and the front o yer lorry. So the middle o the lorry, ken, it was six feet there, and six feet there. So the middle o the lorry was eighteen feet.
M608 Aye.
M645 So that bit, six feet, was where you're workin bit.
M608 mmhm
M645 So we come tae the end, that was ly- the wuid was lying that way, and that wuid was lyin that way. So this wuid had tae go this way, cause this is the way ye loaded it.
M608 Aye.
M645 Ye see? So once, ye were awright loadin the bottom. But once ye got a certain height, ye'd maybe be four feet, ye'd tae load fae the grun tae gie it tae the driver. He'd tae catch the end o it. You'd tae push it up, and he was up there, and you'd tae push it away up there! //Get it right away up//
F644 //Tae g- tae get it loaded.//
M645 six feet!
F644 //mmhm//
M608 //[?]That's some height![/?]//
M645 Six feet, like, ye're loadin the wuid.
M608 That's a lot of wood.
M645 Aye.
F644 And I'll tell ye another thing //I used to do, John.//
M608 //[inaudible]//
F644 Another thing I used to do. I was on the peelin machine.
M608 mmhm
F644 We'd a peel-machine. And it, //up at the back o you, and it had aw tae be peeled,//
M645 //Aye, we had a peel-. That wud had tae be peeled, eh [CENSORED: forename], tak the bark aff it.//
F644 and take the bark off it. //And I was on//
M645 //Aye.//
F644 the other end of that peeler. //An the kids//
M645 //Aye.//
F644 wis, the two kids were at school, but [CENSORED: forename] wisnae old //enough tae go tae school,//
M645 //Aye.//
F644 so he used tae come up the wood wi me, up the back, where your house is, away up. //And he//
M608 //oh right.//
F644 played about there, and, we used tae peel the //wood.//
M645 //Aye,// peel the wuid.
F644 And I used tae push it in, and [CENSORED: forename] took it oot, or I took it //oot and he pushed it in.//
M645 //Aye, ken that wuid, ken that wuid, when it was loaded? Ken where it went tae?//
F644 So, I used tae be a worker //tae, when I was young.//
M645 //It went away// doon tae Manchester.
F644 //Aye.//
M608 //oh right?//
M645 And ken what it was used for?
F644 [?]Bowwater[/?]
M645 No! Ken what it was used fur? //No, this other stuff.//
F644 //Chipboard!//
M645 No no. //It was used for.//
F644 //It went to [?]Bowwater[/?].//
M645 It went through a [inaudible], o whit ye call wood-wool. Do ye know when ye used tae get packin-cases?
M608 oh, aye.
M645 Wi steel for the steel-works. //The the wool was wood.//
F644 //Like straw in it.//
M608 uh-huh
M645 The wui- the wuid //was wool. Do ye no, mind//
F644 //Like chipped-up paper, but it was made o wood.//
M645 o seein the wool? //The big yellae stuff in boaxes. That was all made o the wuid.//
M608 //[inaudible] Aye.//
F644 That was [?]they wi[/?] //the wood.//
M645 //eh//
F644 //mmhm//
M608 //[inaudible]//
M645 Went doon tae Manchester, went through this machine, and wee wee //wee thin strips that came oot.//
F644 //[?]Bowwater[/?] bought it up.//
M645 It wis jist wool, ye jist lifted it like wool, and packed stuff in cases and packed //them up so//
F644 //mm//
M608 mm
M645 There was hundred and thousands of tons went //away doon there, eh?//
F644 //That's right, mmhm.//
M645 And we made intae wood-wool.
F644 ah, he used to come home for his tea, an then a lorry used to come in after tea-time, eh, and the driver used to come in an get //somethin to eat.//
M645 //Aye.//
F644 And then we all went an unloaded the lorries. //mm//
M645 //ah but that was// all wood-wool, in thae //boaxes, [inaudible]//
F644 //So there ye are.// So, that was an interesting story, now, isn't it, John?
M608 It was, yeah.
M645 [inaudible] //[inaudible]//
F644 //And that// road up to yours was just an auld track, until they they built that //sand-quarry and then they made//
M645 //[?]And that was the chat.[/?]//
F644 that road.
M645 And the sand-quarry came there in nineteen seventy-two. And they yaised the auld track.
M608 mmhm
M645 Right?
F644 Aye. //That was just an//
M645 //eh//
F644 old red //road, an auld track.//
M645 //[?]tae start wi[/?].// So they, [?]negotiate[/?] wi the fairmer, they must hae bocht the hail road. //[?]Herbert.[/?]//
M608 //mm//
M645 Bocht the hail road. Your boy, you boys wis, see where there's a track? //mm?//
M608 //mmhm//
M645 The forester had to maintain it.
M608 Aye.
M645 er, if you, ken if youse had bocht the hoose, youse would hae a part-share in maintaining that, if the //quarry,//
M608 //Aye.//
M645 if the quarry wisnae up there.
F644 //mmhm//
M608 //Aye.//
M645 Aye, that eh that was in the deed, //John, the hooses up there.//
F644 //mmhm//
M645 Bit they bocht the right and they made it concrete, a fit deep o concrete.
M608 mm
M645 //[inaudible] concrete ever since.//
F644 //So you dinnae have to maintain it.//
M608 mmhm
M645 //And eh,//
F644 //But I wish ye'd// fill the hole at the bottom in.
M608 Aye.
M645 //But that must be there for a reason.//
F644 //The lorries,// the lorries bang that //every time they go up there.//
M645 //I know, it must be there for a reason,//
M608 //[inaudible]// //[inaudible] it's a drain.//
M645 //[CENSORED: forename] because the water spigots doon// //that hole.//
F644 //It's a drain.//
M608 Aye. //[inaudible]//
M645 //The water spigots doon that hole.//
F644 But I mean ye //could have a cover.//
M645 //But what ye should hae// is a cundie on it. //A cundie.//
F644 //A cover on it.//
M645 Bit it seems that he breks, so that's how the hole's there, and they come doon there, and jist pit their hand doon in the, i-, it's safe enough, like, but [inaudible], have you ever hit it wi yer car, John?
M608 Aye.
M645 //That'll be the hole.//
F644 //Ye'll break a// spring, John.
M608 I know, it's eh, it's, it's //dangerous.//
M645 //Yes, I widnae// like to hit that wi a wee wheel. //[laugh]//
F644 //You'll break a spring.//
M608 //Aye.// No, ye try to avoid it, but it's er sometimes you forget.
M645 Aye, that's right, your front wheel would maybe miss it, but your back end maybe [inaudible] the way you hit it and that, eh? //Well ye need, ye need tae watch.//
F644 //And then ye'll break yer springs.//
M608 Aye, better watch out.
F644 Ye cannae claim.
M645 eh? oh well, it's their road, you you, I suppose ye wid.
F644 Could ye, could ye do anything about it?
M645 //[inaudible]//
M608 //er, don't think so.// No, mm.
M645 //Well, they'll say that tae ye.//
F644 //Don't think so.//
M645 You're no pittin nothin tae the road, or somethin, an this is what they would //say tae ye, eh?//
F644 //mmhm//
M608 Yeah, no, no, they're good at maintaining. [inaudible]
M645 //eh?//
F644 //Aye,// //they are, they're good.//
M608 //I was happy with// jobs that have been done, go- goin up an doon.
F644 Aye. //So that's the story o Bogside.//
M645 //oh, aye, [inaudible].//
M608 Well that's, tha- that's good. I think I'll stop there, //[inaudible]//
F644 //Wis that very// //interestin?//
M645 //Yes, I'll// //stop there noo, John,//
M608 //[inaudible]//
M645 an get the, get the half, a wee half oot.

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Conversation 05: Fife couple on shared memories


Audio audience

Adults (18+)
For gender Mixed
Audience size 1

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Speaker awareness Aware
Degree of spontaneity Spontaneous

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Year of recording 1998
Recording person id 608
Size (min) 40
Size (mb) 195

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Recording venue In participants' home
Geographic location of speech Bogside, Fife

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Speakers knew each other Yes

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Audio transcription information

Transcriber id 632
Year of transcription 2003
Year material recorded 1998
Word count 11194

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Participant details

Participant id 608
Gender Male
Decade of birth 1950
Educational attainment University
Age left school 17
Upbringing/religious beliefs Protestantism
Occupation University Professor
Place of birth Ayr
Region of birth S Ayr
Birthplace CSD dialect area Ayr
Country of birth Scotland
Place of residence Bridge of Weir
Region of residence Renfrew
Residence CSD dialect area Renfr
Country of residence Scotland
Father's occupation Insurance Broker
Father's place of birth Auchinleck
Father's region of birth S Ayr
Father's birthplace CSD dialect area Ayr
Father's country of birth Scotland
Mother's occupation Dental Receptionist
Mother's place of birth Ayr
Mother's region of birth S Ayr
Mother's birthplace CSD dialect area Ayr
Mother's country of birth Scotland


Language Speak Read Write Understand Circumstances
English Yes Yes Yes Yes In most everyday situations
Portuguese Yes No No Yes When trying to communicate with my in-laws
Scots Yes Yes Yes Yes In domestic/activist circles; reading literature


Participant details

Participant id 644
Gender Male
Decade of birth 1930
Educational attainment GCSEs/O-Grades
Upbringing/religious beliefs Protestantism
Occupation Forestry worker
Place of residence Bogside
Region of residence Fife
Residence CSD dialect area Fif
Country of residence Scotland


Language Speak Read Write Understand Circumstances
English Yes Yes Yes Yes At work, at home


Participant details

Participant id 645
Gender Female
Decade of birth 1930
Educational attainment GCSEs/O-Grades
Upbringing/religious beliefs Protestantism
Occupation Housewife
Place of residence Bogside
Region of residence Fife
Residence CSD dialect area Fif
Country of residence Scotland


Language Speak Read Write Understand Circumstances
English Yes Yes Yes Yes At home